Can’t agree more with this follow up. What ticked me off from the Anonymous WOF comment on the original piece comments was where they blame “spiritual warfare”. I am so tired of Catholics playing the victim and acting like we are persecuted. All any one wants is accountability. I agree that WOF and Bishop Baron didn’t do anything immoral or illegal but he could have said sorry to the victim(s) on behalf of WOF. It’s not that hard.
I always thought that musclemen were gay or ex-cons excepting Swartzenegger. Yet that doesn't have anything to do w their adherence to the faith. I don't like tattoos either. It is not we who are judge, jury and executioner. I smell a sense of the whiny white mentality here. Yes, women lie about sexual encounters which I can say as an attorney w 30 years experience in the field. Did Barron jump the gun firing Floor? It sounds as though he may have. Did he commit a gross negligence if he disclosed the woman's name to his staff? I would think that since Gloor and the woman had an ongoing relationship if I understand correctly that the staff likely knew who she was before Barron named her. Probably Barron panicked and wanted to cut losses when he summarily fired Gloor. It was the bishops' sins of omission in the sexual scandals that were egregious. These sex charges can take on a life of their own drama. I pray all parties think and act w a level head and that realize that a guy or girl can't be too careful. Barron may not be everyone's cup of tea but just because Gloor was a muscle man doesn't mean he and Barron were an item. Barron may have wanted to show all kinds can be faithful Catholics. We must not assume facts not in evidence.
But yet - they (WOF) don't have and can not produce a number of how many souls they led to Christ ?
Gloor is a bodybuilder and had "ZERO" knowledge of the position he held and was the highest paid member on the staff.
While present day WOF continues on its course of selling 2k seminars on the Holy Spirit - and raking in millions of Catholics dollars.
The mission of the church, Priest - Bishops - Cardinals as well as the Pope are leading people to Christ and his church ?
Present day the lobby for the left, the right, the gun, same sex marriage and many others are beating the lobby for Christ and his church. The same means and methods the leaderships of these lobbies use to proliferate their message and grow their numbers, Guess What ? They are available to the church leadership as well !
In the United States, between 20% and 31% of Catholics attend Mass weekly, and about half attend at least monthly ! Do you even have the slightest idea what would happen if the leadership of those lobbies or say, a Senator's re-election campaign fund were to take on similar characteristics of such failure ?
Call WOF and ask them for the data ?
How many people came forward at on those Holy Ghost seminars and asked to become Catholics ? How many people have become Catholics through the Word on Fire ? They can not tell you - that's not their mission !!!
Your commentary fails -
Our goal as Catholics are to lead people to Christ and we re failing - whilst your marvelous Bishop has his body builders and a multi million dollar corporation on the platform of Christ - and can not tell you how many people have become Catholic through their media !
Can’t agree more with this follow up. What ticked me off from the Anonymous WOF comment on the original piece comments was where they blame “spiritual warfare”. I am so tired of Catholics playing the victim and acting like we are persecuted. All any one wants is accountability. I agree that WOF and Bishop Baron didn’t do anything immoral or illegal but he could have said sorry to the victim(s) on behalf of WOF. It’s not that hard.
Bp Barron's fault was his obvious sympathy for the male, muscle-bound perpetrator, compared to his obvious annoyance at the female victim.
Thank you for the follow up.
I always thought that musclemen were gay or ex-cons excepting Swartzenegger. Yet that doesn't have anything to do w their adherence to the faith. I don't like tattoos either. It is not we who are judge, jury and executioner. I smell a sense of the whiny white mentality here. Yes, women lie about sexual encounters which I can say as an attorney w 30 years experience in the field. Did Barron jump the gun firing Floor? It sounds as though he may have. Did he commit a gross negligence if he disclosed the woman's name to his staff? I would think that since Gloor and the woman had an ongoing relationship if I understand correctly that the staff likely knew who she was before Barron named her. Probably Barron panicked and wanted to cut losses when he summarily fired Gloor. It was the bishops' sins of omission in the sexual scandals that were egregious. These sex charges can take on a life of their own drama. I pray all parties think and act w a level head and that realize that a guy or girl can't be too careful. Barron may not be everyone's cup of tea but just because Gloor was a muscle man doesn't mean he and Barron were an item. Barron may have wanted to show all kinds can be faithful Catholics. We must not assume facts not in evidence.
"...whiny white mentality..."
Well, you've revealed your character in 3 words. Well done!
Word on Fire has
38.7 million in assets
21.6 million in revenue in 2023
14.6 million in expense in 2023
But yet - they (WOF) don't have and can not produce a number of how many souls they led to Christ ?
Gloor is a bodybuilder and had "ZERO" knowledge of the position he held and was the highest paid member on the staff.
While present day WOF continues on its course of selling 2k seminars on the Holy Spirit - and raking in millions of Catholics dollars.
The mission of the church, Priest - Bishops - Cardinals as well as the Pope are leading people to Christ and his church ?
Present day the lobby for the left, the right, the gun, same sex marriage and many others are beating the lobby for Christ and his church. The same means and methods the leaderships of these lobbies use to proliferate their message and grow their numbers, Guess What ? They are available to the church leadership as well !
In the United States, between 20% and 31% of Catholics attend Mass weekly, and about half attend at least monthly ! Do you even have the slightest idea what would happen if the leadership of those lobbies or say, a Senator's re-election campaign fund were to take on similar characteristics of such failure ?
Call WOF and ask them for the data ?
How many people came forward at on those Holy Ghost seminars and asked to become Catholics ? How many people have become Catholics through the Word on Fire ? They can not tell you - that's not their mission !!!
Your commentary fails -
Our goal as Catholics are to lead people to Christ and we re failing - whilst your marvelous Bishop has his body builders and a multi million dollar corporation on the platform of Christ - and can not tell you how many people have become Catholic through their media !